#057 – Airbus Aerial with Jesse Kallman

In Podcast by Ian Smith

Airbus is a global aerospace company who have a wide variety of divisions and assets. Besides their airliners, Airbus also has access to a huge cache of up-to-date, high-resolution satellite imagery—so it was only natural that they create one of their newest companies, Airbus Aerial.

Airbus Aerial is a startup that, according to their website, leverages the most advanced aerospace technologies to collect and deliver only the data and services that matter most to your organization.

Our guest, Jesse Kallman, is the President of Airbus Aerial, leading the team to enable a future of digital services via satellites, high altitude, and small low altitude UAVs.

Ian Smith: [00:00:03] Welcome to Commercial Drones FM. The podcast that explores the commercial drone industry, the people who power it, and the concepts that drive it. I’m your host, Ian Smith.

Ian Smith: [00:00:15] Hey everybody and welcome to Commercial Drones FM. Ian Smith here at Drone World Expo in San Jose California and I’m sitting down in a very big room with Jesse Kallman who’s the president of Airbus Aerial. So welcome to the podcast Jesse. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. So I’ve been wanting to have you on the podcast for a long time now and it actually extends further past Airbus Aerial’s creation. So Airbus Aerial is like a relatively new company.

Jesse Kallman: [00:00:45] It is. Yeah we started it and announced it back in May. OK.

Ian Smith: [00:00:48] So I think you guys kind of went to exponential maybe your first shafting was announced at exponential.

Jesse Kallman: [00:00:54] Dirk Cocoa’s the CEO of Airbus Defense and Space announced that during his keynote presentation there. Okay great.

Ian Smith: [00:01:01] So yes so Airbus I mean most people know Airbus from riding on their airplanes. But actually I have personal connections to Airbus my father in law works at Airbus Defense and Space. But there’s a variety of different I guess divisions or business units I mean do you tell us like what those are and like how does Airbus aerial. I mean it’s kind of obvious it’s aviation and aeronautics and you know how does Airbus aerial kind of fit into the Airbus equation and what’s going on here.

Jesse Kallman: [00:01:28] Sure. I mean Airbus is a massive aerospace company right. I mean they are known for the commercial aircraft they’re known for. You know the A320 is an A-330 is that people fly on when they take airlines across the U.S. or to Europe or wherever. But a lot of people don’t know about the rest of Airbus so Airbus for example has one of the world’s biggest satellite imaging businesses. They provide imagery to you know the likes of Google and lots of other companies out there. But they also build military aircraft. They build satellites they launch satellites. They have one of the world’s biggest helicopter manufacturers both for military and commercial uses. They’re even doing lots of things around you know the future of urban air mobility and personal air vehicles and know autonomous personal transport. So they’ve got lots and lots of things going on. So you know obviously European organizations started by governments based in France and Germany and you know it’s really been coming together of lots of different European entities you know over the last several decades to form you know this this large aerospace company. But as far as Airbus Aeriel so Airbus aerials sort of sits somewhat outside of Airbus we sort of set it up a little bit to run more like a true startup where we kind of are free from a lot of the burdensome process that you would expect with a large aerospace company. You know when it comes to legal and procurement and I.T. systems and things like that where you know we manage her own I.T. we sort of can operate and build products as we want and you know address markets as we need and see fit. So we sort of operate as a separate entity to Airbus because we’re really focused on the commercial market wanting to build things very quickly very efficiently and respond to market quickly and you know typically a large company isn’t able to do that very efficiently.

Ian Smith: [00:03:16] That’s very true. So we actually didn’t even mention a lot of people might not know like what is Airbus area. What do you guys do.

Jesse Kallman: [00:03:24] Sure. So the the really basic explanation of what we’re doing is we’re bringing. So I mentioned that you know Airbus is one of the world’s biggest satellite imagery providers and when I started talking with Airbus they said you know we really want to be in the commercial drone world. We don’t really we’re trying to understand how we should do that. And what I said was you know what drones are really good at is providing information via sensors onboard the aircraft. And that’s that’s their core purpose today and that’s what a lot of people really use them for Airbus already has one of the world’s biggest data businesses providing satellite imagery Why can’t we bring the two things together to let major commercial organizations who are trying to get inside over you know the power lines across an entire state or whether it’s insurance company responding to a hurricane. They need to be able to go to one global player who can help them solve the problem whether they need satellite data drone data manned aircraft data high altitude aircraft the data a sure source shouldn’t matter. It should be about how do you bring all these different layers together within one tool so that you can then provide analytics and all the things on top of it but that they’re not having to go and source all these different sources of information from you know 50 different companies in 50 different parts of the world.

Ian Smith: [00:04:39] Very intriguing So let’s go way way back and tell us a little bit about yourself. I kind of did a switcheroo here so we talked about a lot of things out of order. But you know you’ve been in aviation for quite a long time you actually worked for a I guess drug companies. Now I’m like oh Sirajuddin and company like no we are not a drug company we are a data company. So I’m like OK I’m going to say drones start off called Air where you used to work at one or at that specific company but just tell us about your background and you know how did you get into drones in aviation and aerospace you know kind of ultimately led you up to Airbus Aeriel being the president there.

Jesse Kallman: [00:05:18] Sure. So I mean I’ve been an unmanned systems in aviation you know since essentially well actually all the way back to high school and I got into it starting flying small Cessna’s in the Civil Air Patrol in high school and that’s how I started you know flying in early and getting interested in aviation and then wanting to get into engineering. I went to Georgia Tech for undergrad and my master’s and as an undergrad student I started doing a lot of research on UAV design and aerodynamic design was managing a wind tunnel for Georgia Tech Research Institute. They have a bunch of facilities up at Dobbins Air Force Base in Atlanta. So I was doing all the aerodynamic testing on that we were doing race boats bullets but a lot of units from guns. Exactly and we were doing guided munitions for for the Army for a while so we were designing small mechanisms so that you could turn bullets in flight or you know turn you know mortars and things like that. So pretty interesting aerodynamic research. But what I spent a lot of my time on was for design and aircraft designed for small you have used for the Air Force. So type all type on a small hand launch all items. We were doing circulation control. So we were for example blowing air over the wings to reduce induced drag so that could increase endurance of the aircraft.

Jesse Kallman: [00:06:32] So we’re doing a lot of really interesting things around you know how do we how do we take this small hand launch aircraft and double the endurance from one hour to two. Things like that so that’s how I really got started on the technical side of things. And then as a grad student Georgia Tech took over a lot of the café’s research they had going on around Next-Gen which is the next gen air traffic management system. And when is that supposed to be really. Well that’s been in discussion for probably over a decade and a half now. 2020 was supposed to be the final implementation of a lot of the next gen programs but I’m sure it’s pushed out well beyond that. But I was a master student we were doing a lot of research on how do you put drones within the next gen system. We’re also doing a variety of other research programs that at Georgia Tech and then when I left Georgia Tech actually went to work at the FAA directly. I was working as a consultant worked for the Department of Defense mainly on how to integrate us into this new aviation system that they were that they were architecting in designing. Know it was great experience but you know working for the federal government sometimes has its drawbacks so you know it’s a very challenging environment to be in when you’re fresh out of school and you want to really make a difference so you know I’ve been talking with a couple of friends I knew from Georgia Tech and they said hey you know they were they were all working at Boeing at the time and they were leaving Boeing and they said they were going to go and start this company called Air where it was called unmanned innovation at the time but you know they were going to start this company or where and you know we’re going to build autopilots and help you know automake come a small commercial uys.

Jesse Kallman: [00:08:09] And you know it at first you know wasn’t sure and didn’t know what I wanted to do. And then after you know the company started getting a little bit of traction I reached back out some of those friends from Georgia Tech and I said Yeah truly and quit quit my job working at the FAA and moved across the country to Newport Beach and that’s where where I got started. And you know that’s that’s how they are where airwork journey began for the last four years or so which was a great experience you know they have had an excellent team there and I really enjoyed my time.

Ian Smith: [00:08:38] It was one of those friends buddy machinery.

Jesse Kallman: [00:08:41] I know a guy from Georgia Tech Robert Asri. He was one of the first employees of air where he was a hardware engineer electrical engineer by trade and so I had known him for for quite a while and he had kind of shared you know what they were doing and that’s what sort of piqued my interest. And then that’s how I got to know the rest of the team so he had sort of introduced me in

Ian Smith: [00:09:01] Shout out to buddy who works at where he’s a previous podcast guest of yours if you have not listened to the podcast I don’t know how many episodes ago it was but buddy from where the CTO was a guest on the podcast and so how did you transition from elsewhere to Airbus aerial and kind of starting this like it was just like you know an easy decision or was it you know like really tough decision you know a tough decision.

Jesse Kallman: [00:09:33] I mean you’re joining an early stage startup like that and watching it grow from you know just a few people all the way up to you know when I left it was over over 100 people watching that as a No it’s pretty a pretty amazing experience. And you know it’s it’s hard to leave leave that. But you know while I was there you know I started talking with you know some people are us and you know just casually and they had mentioned their interest in the commercial TV space and I said hey you know wouldn’t it be great if you guys you know started a business like X-Rite X meaning you know what became of us Aeriel But you know I said you know you guys have such a great satellite imaging capability and you’re so well known amongst regulators and the aviation industry you guys really do have some opportunities but building drones is not I wouldn’t say building small drones is really not where the opportunity lies for them. So I think the executives and specifically derk who is the new CEO of the defense business at the time really agreed with that and said you know we can’t always focus on hardware. There’s there’s new sorts of ways to make money and new sorts of ways to conduct business out there and you saw the opportunity on the data side of things and that’s where he really wants to take a lot of what Airbus is doing and and be able to monetize the things they’ve been doing in different ways so I think we sort of Nashton you know we got to talking and things became more concrete and they said well you know we really like you know this idea would you come would you come to it for us. And I said you know think about it and we started talking about where we would do it and what specifically we would do and now I’ve been interested in moving back to the east coast. So you know we after much debate we settled on Atlanta and we decided to start the business there.

Ian Smith: [00:11:15] Nice. It’s always cool to get the back story kind of like how this how these companies get created. I mean you know a lot of people that listen to the podcast entrepreneurial or have their own companies or you know just interested in the back story too. So going back to present day to day now at Drona world expo did you have a presentation here or you were actually on the opening panel keynote hosted by Gretchen. Gretchen Weston so maybe can you give me a little bit of an idea and the listeners that might not have been able to make it like what. What were some of the themes from the panel I mean what are you guys talking about. And how did that go.

Jesse Kallman: [00:11:53] You know the panel was about what are some of the future trends we see coming maybe not in the next year or two but maybe in the next five or 10 years. What will be some of the big changes and new technologies that may you know people may not be thinking about today. So you know I was talking a little bit about some of the really high altitude solar powered aircraft technologies that are buses looking to bring here to the U.S. and other parts of the world. The next couple of years something like the Zephyr program or a bus something where you know Airbus aerial will take an aircraft like that and operate as a service for customers. You know that’s not you know that that provides a whole nother level of capability that’s essentially a satellite you can move wherever you want and you can get ultra high resolution imagery you can put communications payloads on it and provide connectivity to people after a hurricane or you know help the Department of Interior attract fires and you know there’s pretty much no limit on what you can do is something like that. So is that aircraft already actively deployed the Zephyr. Yeah I mean it’s it’s being used by some government customers but as far as in the U.S. it’s not. Not to put it in the U.S.

Jesse Kallman: [00:12:57] But we’ll be looking to bring that to the U.S. in the next year or so. So that’s one of the topics but I mean in general we were talking about you know there was a representative from Facebook they’re talking about some of the work that Facebook is doing obviously with high altitude aircraft. Representative from from Google X someone from G-III and Piquet from NASA just talking about where they see things going from their business standpoint so you know obviously talking about some of the delivery work that we’re doing and where they see that going and so just in general it was I guess for more of the larger companies you know where do they where do they see in general drone technology is going on. The other point I was making is that I think if the industry is going to be successful what it will look like in a few years is that they’ll just become part of daily life right. I mean I think that’s when when you can you can check the box that people have actually or the industry has actually made it is that it’s no longer this crazy new thing it’s just something like drones. Yeah. OK. Sure. I think that was the other sort of you know hopefully where we are in the next five or so years again.

Ian Smith: [00:13:58] I actually just prior to I interviewed Neal nondairy from Intel and he was just kind of you know that’s from what I understood a little bit of the goal with the entertainment drones the Intel shooting star drones that fly you know the light shows. It’s kind of like make drones you know very easy and entertaining for people just to be like oh yeah drones are here they’re cool they’re great. Nice normal. No problem. So yeah I totally agree with you on that. That’s definitely a key key driver or key kind of indicator for the is health. As we move forward here and so going back to the Zephyr thing so do you think would that be potentially Airbus Aeriel that would operate or offer services from the Zafir maybe and then that would be another data source in that you guys are delivering to your concept is it shouldn’t matter where the data comes from to the and to the customer or if you’re an insurance company and a hurricane wipes out you know Houston for example do you care that it came from a satellite or a zephyr or Dejah inspirer.

Jesse Kallman: [00:15:10] As long as it answers the question for you who cares right. So yeah I mean our Airbus Aeriel is not going to manufacture this effort. That’s a whole that’s a program with an Airbus Defense and Space What we do is we take whatever the right asset is for a given job and allow customers easy access to it. So you know we would be the ones operating the Zafir And essentially you know leasing out bandwidth or providing bandwidth on whatever connectivity payloads were on the aircraft. Or if there is imaging payload on the aircraft being able to image areas just like we would with you know small fixed wing around except it can sit up there for three months and provide connectivity until they can build all the cell towers again.

Ian Smith: [00:15:50] And are you guys actively already like I know it’s still fairly early days. Like what it’s been. I got so about it counting months six months. Yeah. Yeah OK. That’s pretty good. It’s been it’s been it’s very recent.

Jesse Kallman: [00:16:03] I mean we this whole business was actually only really a PowerPoint slide in April of this year and we sort of went live with it in May and you know we at this point you know we already have a product in customer’s hands with contracts in place and we’re already you know growing the team pretty aggressively. I think things are moving pretty quickly in pretty well.

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Jesse Kallman: [00:18:20] Is that what we’re looking for large organizations that have a very large asset base that they tend to have to survey or inspect on a somewhat regular basis. So for example things that are already you know up on our Web site. So we are we’ve done some trials with you know big major utilities like Southern Company in Georgia for example where today they you know they use trucks people helicopters to inspect power lines. A great example of what we do is instead of just saying hey we’re going to go fly drones on your powerline. What we said was Why don’t we survey all of your power lines from satellites across the entire southern part of Georgia. All right something that you know for them to do with people who would have been enormously costly and taken quite a long time were able to do it in a matter of a day. You know very simply and in a relatively low cost and satellite imagery. Yeah. I mean satellite imagery is not as expensive as people may think. You know give an example. I mean it’s it’s hard to say because there’s different different constellations and you know tasking rates and things like that right. So whether it’s like a hurricane situation or not I need the data right now or you can get it sometime in the next week for example that changes it quite a lot.

Jesse Kallman: [00:19:32] But you know we were able to image the entire southern part of the state in one go and run some vegetation encroachment analysis and say all right at a high level we think you know 80 percent of your lines are fine. You don’t need to go inspect them. These 20 percent we found some issues. You know the satellite data resolution isn’t high enough to know exactly what’s going on and a lot of times you can spot major issues you’re not going to spot you know defective insulators or you know small and encroachment but you’ll see you’ll spot some macro trends. And so what we do is we use the satellites as sort of like the first tier to really understand what’s going on and then what we did was the next phase is then drones so we said all right now we’ll take drones and fly beyond line of sight in those corridors where we did find and identify issues. And so now you’ve got satellite telling you the 80 percent that’s fine and rules that out and saves you quite a bit of money from inspecting that on foot or with the helicopter.

Jesse Kallman: [00:20:28] And then we use the drone on that other 20 percent which can tell you exactly what is going on. So maybe we found you know another 10 percent that is actually fine in the satellite just pick something up and then we found another 10 percent that you know there are actual issues and we have enough resolution and information on it now to tell you exactly what to do about it. So that’s a that’s an example of how we bring together drones and satellites into sort of one common package all of that all of that imagery all that and that analysis was put into a cloud platform that we’ve already developed that does all of the data fusion overlay analysis and processing on the back and directly ties into the satellite tasking system so it’s all sort of a seamless process for the customer. They don’t have to worry about which satellite or what resolution or any of those sorts of things or just say I want to know what’s happening with power lines and I’m worried about vegetation and where to cross this part of the state. And that’s all they have to do. So that’s sort of a great use case for Howard bring these different layers together.

Ian Smith: [00:21:25] Nice and so do you guys have planned. I mean it sounds like you’ve developed software already the cloud platform for kind of the delivery and the analysis. Are you guys doing. I’m imagining the answer to the question is yes. But you mentioned vegetation encroachment. I mean if you get a ton of satellite data it’s nearly impossible for a human to look through it all so I’m imagining you’re employing types of algorithms and machine learning and analysis and these kinds of things to kind of automate this process. Are you guys looking to develop your own and kind of push that forward as you find different use cases and problems to solve.

Jesse Kallman: [00:22:02] Yeah. I mean we we pull in a great analytical tools from Airbus from partners we can develop things internally. Our Same thing with our philosophy towards the aircraft. We’re not we’re not manufacturing aircraft. We use whenever the right one is for the job. Same goes with the analytics if it’s a Airbus tool or if it’s something developed in the market. If it adds value to what the customer needs then that’s what we use. So the vegetation encroachment on a local model is actually something we pulled from internal to Airbus that’s used for example today in the U.K. by Network Rail there to inspect all their rail lines. But this software holds true for power lines or anything else. So we have to use the same same software and run it on the powerline data but we do that with you know lots of other tools with an air bus for different markets. We can repurpose things and already we we work with small startups or major corporations that have tools that we can incorporate on the data. Nice.

Ian Smith: [00:23:00] That’s cool. And so I mean developing any hardware at the moment or is that just up to you know just leaving it to whatever the job calls for if you guys have to do it.

Jesse Kallman: [00:23:11] Yeah I mean if if there is a major contract and you know it says hey we must collect X data and requires this sensor and we have to you know we need it in this way and we say OK there is no available aircraft on the market. And it sounds like you know in order to do this work there is a failure and we need to make an aircraft for it. We can do that. We prefer not to. But you know for the most part we will just use whatever is available off the shelf whether it’s an Airbus aircraft or not.

Ian Smith: [00:23:39] That’s awesome. So what can we look forward to. I mean as time goes on maybe the next five 10 years. I mean what is it like on that PowerPoint slide what was like the last bullet. You know like this is where we want to be in five or 10 years if everything goes well and this is you know successful business and profitable are just generating enough revenue to the FI itself what can the drone industry maybe look forward to. Or were those who could potentially be your clients look forward to from Airbus.

Jesse Kallman: [00:24:10] Yeah I mean it’s just the additional layers of services built within the same system so we talked about the Zephyrs for one right. I mean in a couple of years we hope that that’s an active tool in our system where someone can just say this is you know AT&T Verizon can log into a system and say our towers are down on this and we can just move the Zephyr into place and we may have you know four or five over the United States and that may provide us enough coverage and we can just kind of move them around as needed to provide either imagery or connectivity. So I mean I think longer term that’s one of the areas where we see a lot of value is just more more layers to be provided within the same thing. So where we are today where we’re primarily using small UAF So you know have things under £55. We want to be able to expand into other envelopes like you know high altitude aircraft larger aircraft that can fly much longer endurance missions. And then even you know there’s other programs with an Airbus for things like cargo delivery and you know they’re trialing some things in Singapore right now where they’re ferrying equipment and items off of ships onto shore and then around the around Singapore itself.

Jesse Kallman: [00:25:19] So you know in the future maybe there’ll be the ability to move physical items and things like that. But again that’s all sort of future state today. It’s really about imagery and analytics on uncertain areas and you know I think if we’re going to be successful next fears we we would hope that you know most of these major oil and gas and utility insurance and you know we’re working with a lot of governments themselves state governments federal governments and a lot of international governments as well where do they have their own sort of remote sensing needs. We hope that you know where the one place that they turn to to say we need more information on what’s happening and are in this forest and this part of the country and you know same concept of multi-layer data collection and analysis to solve whatever the problem is.

Ian Smith: [00:26:07] Nice. Wow. So that’s very very cool so yeah I knew about the whole you know satellite part of of Airbus era or I’m sorry of just regular Airbus Defense and Space but merging the two. I mean it’s a no brainer like merging those data sets is excellent. So actually I didn’t ask what kind of like resolution like what’s the max resolution that you guys have access to in a given area. I mean a satellite. Yeah.

Jesse Kallman: [00:26:32] From a satellite like right now the best resolution would get off on air by satellite is about 50 centimeters. Oh so half a year. That’s really nice. OK. I mean with that just to give you a reference so in the work we were doing for the hurricane for hurricane Harvey in Texas half you know half empty or 50 centimeter resolution will tell you if a house is total or not or if you have you know pretty serious damage you can see that from the satellite photos. So you know we’re the insurance companies find a lot of value as they can just very quickly and easily rule out total loss. Yeah they can say are at these you know if they’ve got 100 insureds in a given area these 50 are a clear and obvious total losses. I don’t even have to send people out. I can I can process the claim right now. There’s a ton of value just in that alone.

Ian Smith: [00:27:19] That’s huge. They don’t. I mean it’s take it going from Makro all the way down to micro.

Jesse Kallman: [00:27:24] Yeah. So I mean going all the way down to most of the drone data we were using is anywhere in the order of you know one to three three centimeters right. And with that obviously you’re looking at you know very very extreme detail on neighborhoods and things like that. All very cool.

Ian Smith: [00:27:40] And so are you guys looking. I mean you just said you’re growing team. I mean are you guys hiring people you want to get the word out. There’s people listening maybe we are interested to join like what kind of books. So another thing is you know a lot of listeners are looking to either get in the industry or try to maybe start a career. So like what kind of roles does Airbus aerial you know. It’s a big big brand behind you guys what kind of roles do you guys hire for.

Jesse Kallman: [00:28:04] You know I mean right now we’ve grown our team pretty quickly and we’re still hiring. I would say the vast majority of our team are software development and geospatial backgrounds because that’s really at the core of what we’re doing. So I would say that that’s that’s the majority of our team. We also have flight operations expertise drone and manned. So you know people that have been working on drone flight operations were being drone pilots themselves and we hire quite a bit of those folks as well to either provide services directly or you know manage a lot of our partners that we work with to provide flight services. So those are I would say some of the key roles I think were going to outside of that you know obviously we have no account management sales all men type roles you know internal support type II type functions and you know the general business items like marketing and finance and things like that so basically everything you want to get at your own industry because I have people that ask sometimes there’s not just drone.

Ian Smith: [00:29:06] You know you don’t have to be a software developer. I mean there’s like regular marketing departments and in business development and things like that so working people go to learn more about that.

Jesse Kallman: [00:29:16] What does your Web site that’s just Airbus Aeriel dot com. That’s the simple simple enough.

Ian Smith: [00:29:21] I don’t need to spell that. Very cool. You guys are definitely really bringing that kind of blurring the lines between me being able to call you a drone company because I just can’t anymore. I mean you’re definitely not. It’s just like an aerial kind of data services company and then maybe you eventually move on and abit more.

Jesse Kallman: [00:29:42] Well that’s an office that’s where the name came from. Right we re I would say it took months to come up with a name. Please give us one of the names that you didn’t choose and I’m trying to remember. So Airbus also uses a naming agencies for a lot of this stuff and those are we had to throw most of those in the garbage that were not very useful I mean there was tons and tons of names thrown at this and honestly I can’t even remember at this point. But yeah I mean we we said all right what are we actually doing I think you said we’re not really not really a drone company I mean one of the original names they had was you know they had drawn in the name of really your best friends. It’s not really a drone company right. I mean we doing all these other things so it’s really about very old data services and then we know we through out you know Airbus aerial services and things like that were like well just Airbus aerial because that’s kind of close enough and you know after much debating I just kind of where it where it stuck.

Ian Smith: [00:30:34] Well it has a nice ring to it. I appreciate the alliteration on it and I think you guys are going to be very successful. I think this has been tried before of course but not at their best. As you mentioned has a very unique and unique advantage when it comes to just aerial data that already exists and then kind of making the mission just being using whatever you need to get the job done. Just opens up a ton of possibilities rather than just pigeonholing yourself in drones so very cool. Jesse Coleman thank you so much for joining us. You can go ahead and follow Jesse on Twitter at J. Coleman. That’s J K A L L M A N 8:5 J Coleman 85. And you can follow Airbus Aeriel at Airbus Aeriel on Twitter as well. While you’re at it you can follow the podcast that drones podcast and then hit us up on Facebook dot com slash drones podcast. You can donate on Patriot-News dot com slash drones podcast if you want to support the show. Just a buck a month helps a ton and get the access to a private Facebook group which Jesse will be invited to as are all previous podcast guests and if he wants to join he can but he doesn’t have to and he does will be there to chat with you guys about cool commercial drone stuff. So Jesse any last parting thoughts or words of wisdom something that helped you or tell me your favorite drone of all time. Or give me something. Just the end of this show on now.

Jesse Kallman: [00:32:03] I mean I would just say I mean this has been a pretty interesting interesting experience for me just the last few months of going from the start up world into a hybrid startup big company world. And I’d say it’s been an interesting experience for anyone that’s you know listening and considering you know do I start my own business to I go to a startup. But I do have a big company. You know I would say why not try them all. All

Ian Smith: [00:32:29] Right great advice. Nice. Awesome. Well thank you so much Jesse for joining us. And we’re going to go ahead and cut off the mikes. Cheers everybody. I mean giddy with excitement to share that I’ll be hosting the first official commercial drones F.M. event in San Francisco on November 16th. This inaugural meetup will start off with a panel moderated by me with guests from DJI out the scope and drone deployed and it will start and end with plenty of networking. We’re going to discuss opportunities challenges and the future of the drone industry. Space is quite limited so please go RSVP now at commercial drones dot FM slash event. Seriously go R.S.V.P.. It’s going to be a great event. That’s November 16th in San Francisco. And you can RSVP at commercial drones dot FM slash event. Hope to see you there.