#059 – Drone Inspections for Enterprise with James Harrison

In Podcast by Ian Smith

Sky-Futures, founded in 2009, is one of the oldest drone service businesses that exist. The company specializes in providing drone-based inspection services to global industrial enterprises.

James Harrison is Sky-Futures’ CEO and has been with the company since the beginning. James and Ian speak about the demanding requirements of enterprise clients who request drone services, U.K. drone regulations, the drone hardware the company has used historically, and much more.

Ian Smith: [00:00:14] Good morning everybody and welcome to the show. So today we’ve got James Harrison who is the CEO and co-founder of Sky futures a UK company that’s focused on bringing drone inspection technology to industry. So welcome to the show James. Thank you so much for joining us from the UK.

James Harrison: [00:00:32] Thanks Ian and thanks for having me. Yeah my pleasure. So where are you located right now. Cydia U.N.. So we’re based just outside of London actually next to Heathrow airport so I can see the planes taking off and landing from the office window which is pretty cool.

Ian Smith: [00:00:47] So before we even get really into the meat of the pie here maybe you can tell us a little bit about your background and kind of you know about yourself and how you discovered the drone industry and then kind of tie that in with you know I’m really interested to hear how sky futures the company was created as well.

James Harrison: [00:01:07] Sure.

James Harrison: [00:01:07] So we actually first encountered drones a very long time ago. I was actually it seems like going to go but I was in the military and back in 2006 2007 I was serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and it was a time when you can have the best Jones. We’re all in the military that’s pretty much where you counted them. And in my role I was a frontline platoon commander so I would be on the ground you know going forward either around Baghdad or northern Iraq or in Helmand Province in Afghanistan and latterly and then I had 150 Afghans under my command. We can have five Brits and three interpreters and typically someone called a forward air controller and we would plan what we would do before we go out on missions and in some of them were evolving us getting airdropped into places we’d never been before as working with the 100 first airborne so worked very closely with us both in Iraq and in Afghanistan and I was essentially a customer for drone data. So I would ask for the latest visuals on areas where we go into and ask if we’d have. You know maybe an image from the morning from lunchtime from the evening and we just analyzed those images and we started to do different things so we started to try and take reference measurements to see how wide roads were or to try and work out how high buildings were based on average tree height.

James Harrison: [00:02:28] What you know pretty unsophisticated things at the time but it really just got us thinking. My co-founder Chris Blackford he was also served in the military. He was a forward air controller and so he was someone who would essentially translate my request for data and then and then digest that and then think what do I need to call in a drone is it a helicopter is it a fixed wing. And he would get the appropriate data. Like my kind of calling these things in. So that was kind of you know the very early background for me. And then I left the military and went to Deloitte to become a strategy consultant in London. But this this idea was very much in our heads and we worked on it as a essentially a side project before incorporating the business in in 2009. So quite a while ago but then another with another Co-founder Nick Rogers we start working with at this time who is a captain for a British legacy airline. So very much news about aviation and legislation regulations and we teamed up with NEC and that’s kind of the basis for Sky futures.

Ian Smith: [00:03:40] Yeah seems like a great foundation at least on the pod cast. I have had a guest from a company that really has had that much experience with Durans prior to prior to founding a company or starting it. But it’s called a seed your perspective and finding the utility of them while kind of in theater as it were in sort of sky futures then so it was founded in 2011.

Ian Smith: [00:04:14] What is kind of like what was the mission back then and has it changed. I mean you know tell us a little bit about about the company and and what its purposes then maybe you can share some of the clients that you have better publicly now.

James Harrison: [00:04:28] Sure. We actually started earlier than that we started in 2009. So it’s a bit older than that but we kind of we were working a lot and I think anyone any other business that was around during that time had exactly the same issues whereby you actually getting your hands on on good hardware that wasn’t military was quite difficult. So I think we pretty much all went down the same route of trying to get drones from different places but we didn’t find them that reliable. So we really kind of you know started working without working it up much earlier. But really it was kind of January 2011 that we kind of started operating I guess the way we think about ourselves today is as a technology company but we had to come a fair way to get there. So back in 2011 we wanted to manage the data and enable people to get better information from the data set rather than just looking at images and so that was really what we wanted to do. But when we went up to Aberdeen and talked to people at BP and Shell. We said you know guys when you buy a drone we will manage this data for you. The kind of first reaction back then was what is a drone. How do I had to use it when the regulations and there just went. Guys Can’t You Just provide a service that was really kind of the very beginning which has a little disheartening cause because that kind of wasn’t you know what we set out today we want to be in a really front working with the data so we we started by saying okay you know what we’ll do that. So obviously we weren’t from an oil and gas background.

James Harrison: [00:06:01] So we teamed up and hired an expert so to see people from the gas industry so we had a flare expert know 35 years experience you hired and people who you know we can have inspection engineer experts and in return inspection scopes for these large oil companies to come on board. So we could understand what we needed to do to deliver and then to provide a service so I guess that’s how we started out. But we always had this vision of you know we wanted to manage data and be more. So by providing the service we really got to understand what it is that that actually is in the inspection process so you collect data. You create a report you hand it to a client and more importantly we kind of figure out what what are the most expensive constituent parts of that process. And it’s not the data collection it’s not you know with the drone fly around and doing the inspection. It’s actually someone analysing all of that data. It takes ages. So if you’re offshore or onshore whatever getting data for five days you can expect you probably doing two weeks worth of inspection reporting to turn that data into something useful which is ultimately what you get paid for. So we really focused in on thinking how can we get to automate that process in the future which is a big vision. But you know so we took baby steps and that’s kind of what drove us to start building up the kind of I guess the enterprise solutions you see today which is a kind of software suite training which is kind of part of that year end today.

Ian Smith: [00:07:43] And this question comes from one of the pipe supporters today. Do you guys know through that transition all the way back in 2009 2011 and all the way here to the middle of 2017.

Ian Smith: [00:07:56] Do you guys see yourselves right now more as an asset management platform or as a data analysis provider.

James Harrison: [00:08:04] That’s a really good question. So we enable enterprise customers either asset owners and operators or other service companies and large engineering firms to go and conduct an inspection and to then use our platform so quickly to analysis on that data share and and derive information from it. The reason I kind of laughed a little bit on that is because we have customers for our software who dont even use drones because it is very good enterprise inspection software the workflows are really good. Its all completely aligned to what the customers need because thats obviously where it came from and we had a massive advantage in that we werent working with legacy software or trying to retrofit something in. We took it we took it from scratch and its not kind of heavy engineering design led it’s kind of we took a very agile approach. It’s very nice clean it’s simple to use.

Ian Smith: [00:09:09] Yeah I’ve seen your staff there in person and I have to agree it’s quite nice and very very specific and targeted at the industries that you guys target so recently. So you guys dont just do software in Canada like these types of managed services and other things but you also do believe like you have your own kind of drone training academy and maybe you can tell us a little bit about that plus I believe there was some pretty big news to come out of the Academy recently regarding regulations for drones in the UK.

James Harrison: [00:09:46] So we start off with the most services now. We also train enterprise so if youre a large company like the public limited companies people like costarring or James Fisher you know we train these massive engineering companies so they can use trains professionally and then we paired with our ah software package and flight deck which is the fleet flight management team which does the compliance which means operating to very high standards. They can go out and use it. So yes thats how it came out and weve got another centre in Houston another training center there which is very similar in that these things aren’t easy to find. Obviously with these kind of you know big structures and everything else so with you know that’s also a really good course and you do a part 1 0 7 online package obviously because it’s us and we’ll be rolling out more training centres globally soon which is awesome. So yeah. So they’re really good and now we’re really privileged recently to have the Minister for Aviation Lord and when they decided to launch the new drone regulations in the U.K. they chose to come to Sky future training academy to do that launch. So we will do work with government very closely on regulations and legislation not just in the UK but elsewhere. It was just really great to have to have him down to kind of do his life piece to camera on Sky News at the training center.

Ian Smith: [00:11:11] Well so what was the what was the announcement. Was it for registration of Droughns or was it something else you’d actually see there was a really wide consultation and a wide consultation and our view is excellent because it really takes in everyone’s views into account so everyone from Alpina the British Airline Pilots Association all the way to the model aircraft people who have been flying for years and years and years and they’ve got loads of experience to the new kind of professional operators and kind of new people who are interested in drones so they did a big big survey and what came back was the their kind of response to it was that you want to put it in a basic test probably through an app

James Harrison: [00:11:58] That enables everyone who buys a drone to be able a flight safely. So it’s a it’s a small piece of compliance to ensure that you know what you’re doing because I think the biggest issue we have in the commercial space is going to some of these negative stories around you know some are flying at 1000 feet high in a restricted area which is obviously not not great and dangerous so we thing provided it is light touch and it’s not a big burden because obviously people just won’t do it if it’s too burdensome. But if it is a simple case of you know go on at you know do some do some kind of general knowledge questions and pass it. We think that that could be a really excellent way of separating hobbyists from from enterprise users from professional drones. Keep everyone safe so yeah and so we think it’s you know provided we need to see the details. But but you know so far we think it’s really good and I think you know one of the points that I did make to the minister and we make and generally whenever we can is that there is a lot of people talking about you knew there was a drone near an aircraft or you knew the pilots saw it at 20000 feet. I’m afraid a lot of this is nonsense and I think you know people need to know that. So we flew a properly testing in fact they are now in Louisiana. So we flew a drone we started on on the ground and it was equipped with DSP in and out and we had an s 92 helicopter at 504 and we raised the drone 100 foot over in 104 increments all the way to 400 with a 70 meter.

James Harrison: [00:13:41] Lateral separation from the airlines to the pilot could see on his iPad the exact location of the drone as could the other crew members and they were looking for that drone they could not see the actual drone with their eyes when it was at 404. So just 100 feet below them and 70 metres lateral separation they couldn’t see it and the drone zooms straight in on them and you can see they’re looking exactly at where it is but they can’t you. They said not once did we actually physically see it. Oh yeah. So I think when we hear about people reporting I saw a drone near us or a drone there. I think you got to take it with a pinch of salt and it’s really frustrating that we getting this but I think you know there are some counter drone technology out there that people will start to use and I think that will settle some of these kind of initial fears. But I think you know it’s really important to know that you know we’ve tested it. We’ve had pilots in the cockpit for it. They couldn’t see it. So I think people need to pay that in mind before they can run with too many scare stories on that.

Ian Smith: [00:14:45] Yeah I totally agree. So before we can have you guys have a little bit of an announcement that just came out. And can you tell us a little bit more about that how it relates to Sky futures and kind of like the future of Sky futures you know related to this press release.

James Harrison: [00:15:08] Sure so I think we’ve got seven plus years of operational experience delivering you know inspections in some of the hardest environments so everything from offshore on an oil and gas rig to you know on engineering sites inspecting bridges and telecom masts and everything. So typically all the work we do is on industrial vertical infrastructure because the problems set and the work flow is very similar. The only caveat is construction is totally different. So we dont separate that vertical but if you think about everything else that is industrial vertical infrastructure typically you know thats something that were really good at. So rather than you know we dont see ourselves as kind of an inspection business but we recognize that there is a large need for people to go out collect the data and be really good at doing this and you know being you know adding it to their kind of capability of other services they offer as a services business so we launched the first of our international franchise program franchises.

James Harrison: [00:16:18] It was launched in Malaysia sky futures Malaysia and that’s that’s based in and headquartered in Kelle that was launched by the Petronas President and Group CEO. That’s the national oil company which is awesome. So you know that for us is really cool. So that was the kind of the big announcement we’ve now got this international franchise program where people can obviously inquire and we’re looking for people you know established businesses really that want to add the capability that they want to be a sky futures you know franchisee that can you know that can service clients locally and I think you know particularly our background and experience in this actually harks back to working with indigenous troops in particular in Afghanistan is local knowledge is key and actually you know we dont believe that by sitting in London and flying teams all around the world to do inspection jobs and then repatriating essentially all of the costs for the project and all the skills and experience back to London is a viable thing for the long term. I mean people want to do this locally so what we want to do is to enable you know entrepreneurial forward looking businesses that are you know local that have a have a good reputation to enhance themselves with this capability and take it forward and I think it’s a really clear way of us both kind of winning and pushing the futures brand in the market.

Ian Smith: [00:17:46] But congratulations on that. That sounds really cool. I totally agree with your thoughts on the strategy with kind of helping expand in and bring these tools that you guys had been developing to enable other businesses to help out you know those clients both parents.

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Ian Smith: [00:18:39] Ok back sure. Now

Ian Smith: [00:18:44] You mentioned some of the other industries so you go as far as I know started with a focus on oil and gas but what are the other industries if you can of list some of the main ones that you focused on construction. Yeah.

James Harrison: [00:18:59] So it’s obvious when there’s any utilities and renewables to big industries for us only. Actually the only exception to the kind of typical industries we serve is solar so that farms are not vertical infrastructure. But we you know we have a team here we have image analysis analysis specialists you know there is in this area and actually the outgoes that we have that can detect corrosion and problem sets on vertical infrastructure can be tailored towards horizontal solutions so one of the things we do is is you know we had some inquiries some solar farms in there saying look can we just send you some data and see what you can do with it. We said sure sure so you know in the first instance we had about 600 images and we we we measured the method data with the actual thermal image and we’re able to run the AGA over it in about six and a half seconds later we found all the problem sets and you can kind of toggle by each sensitivity because if you in Africa or in Morocco it’s going to be a lot of a differential compared to if you’re in Scotland. Right. So you know that the differential and heat is going to be different after like you know six and a half seven seconds it located all the faults in geo located it onto a map. So that was the inspection report. So the engineer can then log in and go bang I know exactly where to go what to fix. So yes that’s pretty cool. So that’s like the only exception I guess to the kind of vertical infrastructure at the moment.

Ian Smith: [00:20:32] So you guys work with a ton of very large clients so what can you tell us about your customers expectations for a downstream data integration capabilities into their ERP which is their enterprise resource planning software and their CRM and their customer relationship management software. I mean this has got to be a pretty big challenge and of course this question does come to us from one of the podcast supporters so let us know a little bit about that.

James Harrison: [00:20:58] Yeah sure that’s a really good question. So one of the things we did when we founded the business is we recognize that if we want to be serious about working with industrial datasets that could be sensitive often are highly proprietary that people dont want to get somewhere else. We needed to hire someone who knew what they doing. So part of the founding team we hired a really experienced CTO and it was interesting because we at the time and this was just before we kind of raised our first series a there was a lot of resistance to the approach we took so we could have gone and hired a APHC out of my team or someone that you know in the end to have that kind of elitist view of someone who’s just done a pitched in and have them kind of run the technical part of the business but in our world that’s kind of not really what we wanted.

James Harrison: [00:21:51] We needed someone who understood to be deeply and had been in you know in that kind of in that kind of area their whole life.

James Harrison: [00:22:00] So when our CTO kind of got 30 years experience he’s done everything from build servers in the desert to putting in a telco network in the South Pacific so it has worked with large organizations and lots of start ups in Internet start ups as well so we took the approach that we wanted to get someone on board who deeply understood this because it’s clearly not my skillset and it’s not Chris’s and it’s not Nick so Adrian brings that to bear. So when we’re looking at how we manage the data securely how we scale that you know in the cloud. So we are going to cloud first we run it on AWOS. We also run additional security over the top and we can run local instances so it doesn’t leave country. So yes that’s something we really deeply understand and when you’re talking about integration we’re going to be Uppie systems and stuff at that. You know we have rest API we can integrate with industry the industry leading asset management systems. So I Ms Maximo or s.o.p or some of the more new ones. That’s no problem at all. So yeah so we really thought a lot about that in terms of how we’re going to build. The product and how we’re going to scale that. So before we even cut a line of code we really worked hard on understanding what it was that needed to be put in place. And yeah we’ve got a really good handle on that.

Ian Smith: [00:23:22] Let’s talk about now the future of Sky futures. If you can say that the franchise model you know I was going ask about the type of hardware you guys use but when expanding your business and franchising this model it doesn’t really matter actually about the hardware you use. It’s all just about the deliverables delivering straight to the client exactly what they want but what kind of hardware have you guys used historically for some of your jobs and did it ever include long range fixed wing brands or is this more specifically multi Roder or veet or platforms that are tailored for the vertical infrastructure which you guys are focused on.

James Harrison: [00:24:01] So the drones that we’ve we’ve used I mean we’ve been using what it was sending now intelligence you know I think that’s pretty much if you’re working in double inspection that’s that’s been the workhorse since since the get go you know sending really really did very well early on and continue to update and push the boundaries of that and obviously now as part of intel with Neil and his team I think it’s you know they’re doing great things and it’s really interesting to see how you see the innovations coming out of their own. They’ve done some really good proof points re Sneed’s so that’s kind of been the workhorse for a difficult or industrial inspection and I think it is increasing is it really important that we still have a connection to that to the hardware because we need to ensure that the franchises are using you know not only the best drones but then that’s aligned to the operations manual and the azimuths and all these things that there’s a safety management system. All these things that get continually updated I mean these are Life documents and so we’re always testing and looking at new hardware. So you know the drone that we use for internal inspection so we did the world’s first kind of completely unmanned inspection you know in a confined space on a floating production vessel.

James Harrison: [00:25:32] BW offshore so we did that last summer which is amazing right because if you put people in confined spaces it’s incredibly dangerous. You know people did die in that environment. Sadly every year so whatever we can do to reduce that risk you know it should be the industry standard and it’s called a LARP you know as low as low is as low as possible in terms of the safety risk. And so by using a drone inside of a confined space that’s really gets you there. So the fly ability is the drone we use for confined spaces. Now they can span out over uni when we saw that pretty early I might remember. I mean to me really early going I love this. We actually had a look at it and the first prototypes were you know as you expect you know there were there were prototypes so we worked very closely with with the team there and we used it at our training center where we have a really good confined spaces which are horrible and dark and dirty and work with that team to get that drone up to up to a level where we were confident that we could then use it industrially and actually now it’s being well received and lots of people are using it in industrial settings which is excellent.

James Harrison: [00:26:42] Because I think some of what we do is to drive the entire industry forward because that’s really important. So we use the you know the kind of liability you give us as well. But it took about 18 months I think from start to finish. And then for only for training we you know when we do the basic pilot training for how much services we train on on DJI inspires. They are what the emergency services use on a day to day basis at the moment and I know that some are looking at upgrading to the empty 100 and there’s a few other options out there that are being used Atronics I know of got some sponsors using it as have an area on so I mean were not you know were not I guess were drone agnostic but we will only work with and train on you know things that are absolutely suited and we have to make sure that we’ve tested them robustly first. I think that’s really important because the safety element is why use drones in the first place.

Ian Smith: [00:27:39] Have you guys use any fixed wing hardware in the past for any of these missions. Yeah.

James Harrison: [00:27:44] Right at the very beginning we actually we did back in 2011. We realised that actually we took a view you know what’s the what’s in this unit like in five years time in 10 years time we took a view that that fixed wing is also about how fast you can process that data and 640 really show and how it’s done. You know maybe they’ve done an excellent job of pulling that you know they’re not on the operational side but in terms of the processing and we figure that that’s really you know it’s far more automated you’re using it in areas where it isn’t so difficult if you’re on a farm in the middle of nowhere or whatever. You know there are not many hazards. Actually it’s a lot easier to get the machines to do it so we figured the barriers to entry are a bit lower for that. So we actually deliberately didn’t work ourselves with that although we do you know through the expanse inspection platform we do take in fixed wind data. So we work partners clients of w you know some fixed wing data or some satellite data. We pull that through the platform so that the clients can access whatever they want. So yeah we work with that kind of leading industry providers of fixed wing solutions both you know loss plus some kind of Normark and to smaller going to be loss operations as well looking all the way back to 2009 or 2011.

Ian Smith: [00:29:03] What was one of the most difficult moments you felt you had to overcome. I mean I entered the drone industry in late 2012 early 2013. So my idea of the beginnings of the start of this technology in industry were really influenced by you guys. So what were some of the big learnings you guys had early on. I mean maybe you could share that with us so you can paint a picture of how far we’ve come or how far we have to go.

James Harrison: [00:29:28] So if I was going to share all my learnings I think we’d be here for far too long. But but fortunately I’ve only done that once. I think the biggest learning that we had at the very beginning and we had this really early and I am so pleased we didn’t know there still be people make this mistake and that’s the one bit of advice I give to everyone which is if you’re going you know you can’t just fly a drone that you know you need to understand an industry and it’s much better you know being a solar fire inspector and then getting into drones for solar farms and going I know I’m going to be a drone inspector and picking an industry. You must have the industry knowledge or you cannot bring value you can add value. You’re just you’re just making bigger problems by producing more data and handing it over. I think that that is the single biggest thing you get in a vertical don’t do everything yet super deep yet really and with the client understand what it is that they need to do. You know if youre in a new real estate you really focus on what value you can add as opposed to everyone else you can just like Joan and take some nice images.

James Harrison: [00:30:46] You can you combine it with some internal 3D models you can make it interactive. Can you host it differently. Can you really give them a way out to their client that makes you indispensable and I think thats that’s really the biggest learning for for any anyone kind of thinking about and I’m so pleased that we did that and that was when you know I think when we when we kind of looked at the fixed wing and thought well if we can fly and create the digital elevation that so can anyone else. What makes us better or different so and so we explore getting in a GI specialist and then I thought you know we thought you know what you know we need to really stick to the infrastructure and rightly as you said the very beginning it was all in gas. But but now it’s it’s really solving the same problem sets and we’re working with industries with the same workflow. So it you know if you’ve got a bridge for example the Forth Road Bridge that kind of which which kind of enables you to get across Scotland rather than taking like a five hour detour about two years ago over the winter that they discovered some massive cracks in it and had to shut the bridge this was like a really big problem in the the Scottish Parliament were getting very exercised about it.

James Harrison: [00:32:00] And so we we worked for the engineering firm for Amy and we flew therefore for three weeks solid and they managed to get the the bridge fixed and back on track 12 days ahead of schedule which was you know excellent but we were a massive contributor to that because we provided things that they couldn’t get but for us it was completely natural it was you know it was you know metallic structure river water you know that’s that’s what we’ve been doing for years right. So for us it was completely straightforward and I think it was you know by leveraging that knowledge and actually getting pulled into different industries that’s kind of you know the key learning for us and in actually now I’d say 90 percent of our work comes from referrals from people particularly engineering firms just just going ah you know you got to go and these guys have got a major problem can you going to have a chat to this guy and they pass this on. So that’s based off just knowing really knowing what we can do and how we can solve the problem for them.

Ian Smith: [00:33:01] Yeah I totally agree with that sentiment. I mean you see the light sometimes almost at the opposite end of the spectrum with trends in agriculture. If you’re not prepared to basically become a farmer and understand the business understand what it means to grow and have that in your family for generations then it’s really difficult to actually provide something of value to the climate with droughts. So yeah it goes goes across the full end of the spectrum. Good stuff.

James Harrison: [00:33:28] And you know I guess we get it up a lot by people kind of wanting to know and wanting to get into the industry and I you know I try and answer as many people as I can and this is kind of by way of a bit of a public apology for people they haven’t been able to get round to you because we do get a lot of inbound. As you can imagine being quite early you just get so many things but that is something I always try and share and that you know for example I’ve got an ex and someone who was in the military in the UK military that he’s a Kiwi he’s gone back to New Zealand he’s been out about five years and he’s just reached out to me for us means some help and advice. And of course you know the first thing is I said yes of course I will and I’ll try and help them as much as I can and I think that’s something that we always try and do. We do try to kind of pay it forward. We were lucky to get it in this industry really early and you know to have that kind of that kind of period to learn whereas now I guess if you’re starting out you need to learn a bit faster because so many companies trying to trying to get on and do things but you know we really try and help where we can and trying to help the wider community and I guess some of the work that we’ve done previously and I put on a linked in post was about standards and how we’re trying to work with industry to set standards so if someone wants to utilize drones in the maritime environment for example there is now a recognised standard by the American Bureau of Shipping by air that we’ve worked really hard with them on in India in Houston and out of Singapore as well to try and set the standards so it’s now clear and you can go to a UBS if you do maritime inspection using drones and look it up and understand what you need to deliver to what standard in order to be in it.

James Harrison: [00:35:05] So I think that’s another piece of work that we’ve been doing to try and I guess push the whole industry forward to raise the bar not to make it anti competitive but to ensure that people who want to use drones professionally have the guidance and understanding on what they need to do and so hopefully that’s gone away. A way of helping the new people in the existing train operators understand if they want to break into a different market. This is kind of what it’s what is expected and we’ve done that with cam like the oil and gas standards and. We’re taking that and we push that pretty hard in Malaysia as well and there’s a view there’s a few countries around the world where if you want to go operate you’ll notice that there are quite similar. That may be because we kind of work with the aviation authorities in both countries to kind of set the standard from the first place to put something in place because there was literally no understanding

James Harrison: [00:35:59] Of what you know how to regulate us or how to enable safe operations.

Ian Smith: [00:36:04] But keep up the good work James and the rest of the crew over at Sky futures. Folks you can follow James Harrison on Twitter at Gier Harrison. Yes. And you can also follow sky futures on Twitter at SKAI dash fut. and you can also check out their web site with their blog and other content like their software and their clients at Sky dash futures calm. And while you’re at it be sure to subscribe to the podcast on your podcast player of choice in order to get the latest episodes as soon as they’re released. You can also check out the pipe cast website at commercial tranced out a fan read up on past episodes and get the latest free drone industry review quarterly book.

Ian Smith: [00:36:49] So James any last thoughts before we cut off the mics?

James Harrison: [00:36:54] Yeah I think about the industry moving but that’s exactly what’s happening I think good the last thought for me is that AI will be huge in this industry. Industrial. Internet things have talked about a lot. But drones are collecting data and making calls and prospects. Hasn’t. Got a. Real stake rate. Other things like. So positioning cameras. Yes. And I think that’s going to be huge enabler in the future. So I think the big debate last mass is that predictive analytics and drones is going to be one of the pioneers to

Ian Smith: [00:37:35] Beautiful last thoughts. Well thank you so much James. That’s James Harrison co-founder and CEO of Sky futures.

Ian Smith: [00:37:43] Everybody thank you so much for listening and have a very Happy Thanksgiving. Cheers and thanks everyone.